The “2nd Wave” of punk for me was the new bands that came after the Pistols, The Clash… when the 76/77 bands either broke up or became too commercial they lost a fan base. It involved bands from the 80s, bands who spurned the name of “punk” also those who revitalized the word and wore it like a flag: proudly.
I had seen this band twice, once in Newcastle, and the 2nd time at Micks 1 in Carlisle. This is the night of the much talked about fight. I remember it as: the boy dancing (with red hair) being a little patronizing to Duggie Sharp, Dougie turned to Telf and without wanting to know what was happening, Telf jumped over the heads of the other dancers and landed on the red haired guy. Chaos broke out.
I had seen the Angelic Upstarts on 10th October 1979. I had not seen many bands by then and I remember a lot of hardcore punks there, obviously not from Carlisle as they looked “different” lots of leather jackets and studs, coloured hair and attitude. I was there when a man and woman (who apparently had not met previously) decided they liked the look of each other and decided to have sexual intercourse on the floor (mentioned here). A large group of people stood around cheering and shouting, when they had finished they just got up and went their separate ways. I went there with Marcus Noble, he had a reputation of a fighter, but he he was into punk and a lovely bloke (he is now dead, committed suicide). During the concert the singer “Mensi” said “there is a lot of Soul boys outside waiting for us (punks) to come out for a fight, and when we go out we are to kick their fucking heads in” a great roar from the punks in the hall. Marcus said in a lot of emotion “I wish you well in the fight” I was terrified! The concert was different as it was basic: no lights, it was daylight outside and the Market Hall let in a lot of light, we could see everything. It was a band without mystique. Great gig, much better than the LP which I thought was badly produced. I liked “I’m an Upstart” and the song “The Murder of Liddle Towers” which they did in the set list. Apparently you can download the gig here if you trust it? I bought The Angelic Upstarts LP “Teenage Warning” on the 14/7/82, on my 17th birthday. I was playing/performing their track (The Animals track really) “We’ve gotta get out of this place” in Business Controlled and Frenzy, which led me on to cover “I wanna change the world” by the Animals, in Nightmares in a Damaged Brain.
I saw “The U.K. Subs“, at the Market Hall, Carlisle, October 30th, 1980.
I had bought the “Strangle Hold EP” and the track “Warhead” we had played in Societies Victims, but I was not a big fan like Telf, Dougie, or Ste. A good gig I remember. They had played Wigton on the 20/04/79 and the Youth Club at Penrith on the 21/04/79, but I had not seen them then. They played Carlisle Market Hall on the 5/10/79. I later saw them play at the “Christmas on Earth” Punk Festival in Leeds 1981 playing “Tomorrow Girls“.
Christmas on Earth was a punk festival in Leeds on Sunday “10th December 1981“. I had gone down with some friends, it was cold and the place was a mess.
The big hall with the toilets over flowing of water, piss and beer, and the floor of the concert hall covered in glue and glue bags. This was not Anarchy but capitalism at it’s worst. I remember seeing Vice Squad, The UK Subs, The Anti-Nowhere League (I knew their 1st LP), Black Flag (I had not seen them before but they made themselves stand out by their energy and determination), Cron Gen (I liked their 1st LP but was disappointed in their set), The Exploited and The Damned.
The Queen’s Hall, where the festival was held is now knocked down
Vice Squad were another band I saw At Carlisle’s Market Hall in 1982, and I enjoyed the gig. The support band “Aftermath” could not play at the next night’s concert (I think at Workington) so I spoke to the manager and he said if your band “Frenzy” could get through there we could play. We did not get through to do the gig as Dung had exams the next day! When I think of Vice Squad I picture my mate “Ste” he was into them a lot and I always associate this band with him. I did not know them very well, I heard the 1st LP at Ste’s house “No Cause for Concern“. Today, they are one of the many punk bands that have reformed and who are still playing. They were one of the few bands who had a dominant female singer, “Becky Bondage“, but there were a lot of women on the Punk scene: Siouxsie Sioux, The Slits…
The Exploited, I remember going around to Pete’s house one afternoon, talking about our music in “Frenzy” then Pete putting on an Exploited LP “Punks Not Dead” and watching him leaping around the room to the music, he shouts “come on…” so both of us start jumping around the room like mad men. I saw them in Leeds at “The Christmas on Earth” punk festival, the Damned headlined but The Exploited were before them. They were big at the time, leading a “New Wave” of punk bands, as the “old farts” like the Sex Pistols, The Clash had broken up or “sold out” to the big multinationals. These new punk bands were more “punk” than the original punk bands in my opinion. They did not have any managers with well-healed connections, they were just people who loved the music, the life-style, the idea of playing this type of music. I guess I was one of these “2nd time around punks” as I was not in London in 1976/77, I heard about it as other people across the country did, through word of mouth and through the media (newspapers, TV and radio). The bands I had been involved with were not financed by record companies or managers with connections, we found our own gigs and bought our own equipment, this New Wave was a more D.I.Y. approach. And, although, I never really got into this “2nd wave” of punk music as I had done with the Pistols or The Clash, I did go and see their shows and lend an ear to their recordings. I do not think they influenced me musically, but I empathized with that they were doing: keeping an ideal alive. There is some good footage of The Exploited playing Carlisle City Hall, in the beginning there are some scenes of people walking into the venue, I noticed a young PH walking in. Great hair styles and notice the number of studied leather jackets. Years later I was in Edinburgh and I was crashing at a girls house I did not know too well, another guest in her house was the bass player from The Exploited in the early days. I never let on I had seen them play I just listen to the conversation. He had given up the band because of heroine.
Crass were from the same group of 2nd Wave Punks, but they were very different from The Exploited, but with similarities too. D.I.Y. approach, but their approach were more political and less into getting drunk and fashion. I saw them in Cleater Moor, and in Carlisle’s Market Hall. They were different as they used not only music but multimedia to put on their show. TV monitors and back drops, soundscapes were blended into the sound of the distorted guitars. I liked “Big A Little A” a lot and their stage show was something very different, with TVs and an audio-visual presentation. Whether you liked them or not, they did offer something more than just the music.
Crass’s “Big A Little A” and “Nagasaki Nightmare“
Crass’s LP “Feeding of the 5000” I found some of these tracks hard to listen too, don’t know why.
I bought the LP “Here Nothing, See Nothing, Say Nothing“and I played it to Roso, when he saw one page of the lyrics on the cover he did not realise it was the lyrics to the whole album, he thought it was 1 song. Their lyrics were minimalist…nothing wrong with that.
I did not know many American bands at that time, although I had heard of The Ramones and I bought The Dickies 1st album “The Incredible Shrinking Dickies” were already in the pop charts with “The Banana Splits“. I had seen Black Flag at the “Christmas on Earth” gig in 1981, but the 1980s USA Punk Scene (2nd wave) was just setting off (it had been around for a while in the 70s) and I remember a lot of bad publicity when the 80s scene took off from certain people. But what did come out was good. What I liked about the USA bands at that time was they were more of a musical and lyrical “expression” than a band.
Pug got me into Husker Du via a cassette, and I liked the band Ch3 which I came across one day in a record shop and I thought to give it a go, I bought the 1983 album “After The Lights Go Out” and I loved the track “I Didn’t Know” from it. Dung introduced me to The Dead Kennedy’s, especially the 1st LP “Fresh Fruit for Rotting Vegetables” I bought their single “Bleed for Me” on the 11/9/82, and their 2nd LP “Plastic Surgery Disasters“
The punk music also came under a political movement such as “Rock Against Racism” (RAR) I also bought an LP for “Rock Against Racism” there were a few punk Punk bands who supported this: Sham 69, Stiff Little fingers, The Clash… also a lot of Reggae bands.Ten Pole Tudor was a great band for energy and good music, his stage performance was energetic. I bought 2 of the LPs “Eddie, Old Bob, Dick and Garry” and “Let the Four Winds Blow“. I heard them live on the radio in 1981
I saw this band Serious Drinking in Carlisle at “Stars and Stripes” they were introduced to me by P.H. here are some recordings:
Love on the Terraces
serious drinking Country Girl Became Drugs and Sex Punk
I’m on drugs
They May Be Drinkers, Robin, But They’re Also Human Beings
The Revolution Starts at Closing Time
A fanzine that was produced in the north-east often had reviews and gig schedules in Carlisle was called “Paint It Red” it had a gig review for the “Front Page”
I bought the Punk book by Carolyn Coon “1988” god knows where it has gone!